Replaced chip for sim, can flash, will not boot

I am going crazy. Gave up on the 800se that one is somehow broken.
Bought 2 800 se V2. I have already a working V2 with Japhar sim.
So i flashed a new one with Japhar image, got no ca. Solderd in a sim card , no ca anymore so ok.
It will not boot to image, it will boot in flash mode, so i flashed image again. still it wil not boot to image it hangs on boot screen
Flashed a working image from the other one, nothing.

Regards
Ad

Did you tried the bad sector recovery and reset of Bios ?

BSR : http://www.ourdreambox.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3137#Post3137

Bios Reset : http://www.ourdreambox.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=5234#Post5234

Admin

Thank you for the fast response !
Tried it .
No change .
Gonna try to connect the chip again .
Connected wires to the board so the sim holder can stay .
Perhaps the soldering of the sim holder not ok .

Ad

Yes, what you tell could be a possibility, as generally it freezes because it needs the Japhar Sim to compute calculations, perhaps not enough "power" (Amp) going to it ? Your wires are not too thin ? Or PSU problem ? Does the PSU works with the other box ?

TS

HELP please
Did not work with the wires .
I solderd the chip back
Result : second failed . so no boot file ?
Flashed it with DREAMUP and browser .file newnigma2-ipk-weekly-dm800sev2-17_10_2021
It works fine .
Got the chip out , solderd the sim holder in .
Flashed it with japhar flasher , and browser ,file openpli-enigma2-8.0star-dm800sev2_Japhar_v6_GStreamer_1.18.3_20210611
Result : second failed . so no boot file again ???
Could it be that one of the connections to the sim is faulty ? so it does not flash the boot file ?
Or does it flash nothing at all .
The solder points .
I solderd it 3 times so it must be a connection on the mother board .
The chip works fine so the connections there are ok .
Which connection could be the faulty one ???
And can i make a bypass from the chip solder points ?
Are all connections to the sim used ?
Got the sim out a working v2 box .
Can i check the connection points in the sim holder with a muti meter ?
How to check the points ? and what values should it be ?
Wich soder points of the chip ,correspond with the solder points of the sim .

I can get it working the the chip but want the Japhar sim !!
Thanks in advance

Ad Smits

I don't want to give up yet .

On point of the sim .above of the cut out , Does not solder wel .
Perhaps that one , if it it used

Ad

Did you tried on the other box v2, to see if the Japhar sim is OK on it ?

If it's an hardware problem, you can see at jb8a8f8.com

Admin

I have given up on this one .
Found some points to messure . all ok
It just does not see the sim . put in an old ferrari sim ,no difference
no , no ca aerror ,nothing at all .
Just second fail .
Put the chip back al works fine . so no hardware problem there

i have 3 japhar sims .

I have another v2 ( i have 3 one is ok ) that i want to do , just think about it
or i still want to try that one .

for now take some time out , it is very tiring this work .

Thanks
Ad

Tried the last V2 , same result , not working .
The first , some time ago worked .
I think a sim in a V2 does not work anymore .
Perhaps some firmware made a change , to block it .
Everything lookes ok but it won't boot .
Placing chip back and it works .
Sim is ok , works in the other box .

Ad

So you talk about using it on an original DM800HDse V2 box ?

There is two sets of Japhar drivers for the Original box. We had v6 and v6+ drivers (that are v5 upgraded to v6 compatibility). v6 drivers worked only on original boxes with Japhar Sim.

Admin

i have 3 original v2 boxes with chips no sim .

sometime ago i put a sim socked in one , got a japhar sim . put on openpli-enigma2-7.2star-dm800sev2_Japhar_v6_GStreamer_1.17.0.1_20191220
all ok

some weeks ago , got another japhar sim , and a socket , solderd it in put in openpli-enigma2-7.2star-dm800se_Japhar_v6_GStreamer_1.17.0.1_20200526
it did not boot , stoped at the dreambox picture , tried everything ,solderd wires with chip , chip back etc . til it did nothing not even
no ca . messured the sim socket . solderd the chip back that works

today the next one , solderd socket in . japhar sim in it .put in openpli-enigma2-8.0star-dm800sev2_Japhar_v6_GStreamer_1.18.3_20210611 ,
boot to dreambox picture , no more . put in got the other japhar sim out the working V2 . put it in : the same result ,boot to dreambox picture .
Put the chip back . that works . the sim out the box works in the other box .

Thats it , day's of work got me back to the start .

Ad

So one of the 3 worked, and the other two not.

Can you check the MAC / Serials / Date of Production of the 3 boxes ? They could have added something to the Rom Boot...

Admin

info files
the 2 not working
the one working

Which one working ?

00:09:34:2F:74:2C (15496)
00:09:34:2F:82:32 (16096)
00:09:34:2F:03:33 (09828)

In our side, the one we tested that is working is,

00:09:34:2E:B3:D9 (02816)

Admin

00:09:34:2F:03:33 (09828)
this one is working .

If you need it i will send you
00:09:34:2F:82:32 (16096)
I will pay for sending and return .

Now the chip is in it .

I am busy with satellite stuff 30 years now .

Ad

I think we can work out some solution like for the DM7020HD, and the Japhar sim will work with your box.

I think we need to clone the MAC of your Original, and use it on the Japhar OS for that exact box. So we will need to generate the 2 OS for your two DM800HDseV2 boxes, so you have a Japhar Sim backup for each of them.

Contact me by PM,

Admin

I gave it a last change , tried half a day , no luck .
Soldered the chip back but that is not working any more also .
Perhaps to much soldering . changed it 10 times or so .
Tried to flash several images , also boot images , about 30 times or so ,but nothing .
2nd failed . it does not seem to flash boot . it sticks at 87. That is what dreamup puts on it i think .
Optiflasher i am not gonna use , what a rubbisch support .
I tried 2.0.0.9 some times but no go . i would not use it if that was the last program i could use .
Its is sort of bricked .

I think boot flash failes , is the boot programm on the sim/chip or on a chip on the motherboard ?

Thanks for your help .

Regards

Ad

You can use the JapharFlasher 1.1, that one is supporting as well the DM800HDseV2.

http://www.ourdreambox.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=9476#Post9476

Also are you sure you used the right Japhar Sim with the right MAC address that is destinated to the box (it must be the same MAC as the original chip).

Admin

Tried everything of corse also Japharflasher . i can flash it , it does what it has to do ,
but it does not change the boot program ,nothing changes .

Ad

if I flash original software ,in original chip it should work with dreamup
But no . no ca error .
Flashing just does not put the bites in memory .

Ad

No wathever i flash ,
newnigma2-ipk-weekly-dm800sev2-17_10_2021.nfi ,
secondstage-dm800sev2_allsim.nfi,
openpli-enigma2-8.0star-dm800sev2_Japhar_v6_GStreamer_1.18.3_20210611.nfi
secondstage-dm800sev2-89.nfi
,dreambox-image-dm800sev2-20170216.nfi.

Boot loader does not change .
It never comes in normal flash mode .
Only with Japharflasher , not with dreamup DreamUP_1_3_3_12 also
When flashing in browser you see the same bootloader

Ad

This is the topic, where you have the SSL89J,

http://www.ourdreambox.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=18335#Post18335

File : secondstage-dm800sev2_SSL89J_v6.nfi

Then flash v6 images that you find here,
http://www.ourdreambox.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=49

Admin

What ever i flash it does not stick . these files used to work ,i have 3 800V2 boxes .

Ad

The ALLSIM SSL87J will not work with drivers, and be sure you install on each box the Japhar Sim that has the same MAC address as the chip that was on it before.

You must flash the one I told you, secondstage-dm800sev2_SSL89J_v6.nfi then a Japhar image v6.

Admin

I think i found the problem .
One last time i put the box together and dicided to try some flashes.
And i got it working again with the chip .

The problem is , i think , that the flashing does not work ok ,with Japharflasher 1.1 it workes with boot 87 , and that connot flash a V2 .
But if you have other software than original Dreambox , DreamUP_1_3_3_12 wil not work .
You need 89 to program V2 .
So i programmed some software for original chip , newnigma and openatv , with that it still would not go in flashmode .
But DreamUP_1_3_3_12 worked now , so i programmed newnigma , then it was possible to get in flashmode the normal knobs way , i flashed openatv ,
i like that more , because it is closer to pli to make . And ok .

Flash Japhar before you put the simcard in , might work but i think i did that , once or twice it started up , but not al the way .
I ame not gonna try again , i have enough for the rest of the year , and for sure not with these 2 boxes .

Perhaps if i get another V2 !!!

Regards

Ad

Use, secondstage-dm800sev2_SSL89J_v6.nfi

For the DM500HDv2 and DM800HDseV2, there is only the SSL88 and SSL89.

Admin

If I were to do it again , I would first remove the chip and place the SIM card .

Then with DreamUP_1_3_3_12 , which should work now because original software is present,
I would install Japhar software.

If you first install the Japhar software with the browser, you do this without the Japhar sim present
, that could make a difference . And you can no longer use DreamUP_1_3_3_12 .

DreamUP_1_3_3_12 is not difficult to use, only the driver for the Dreambox is difficult to find .

Regards

Ad

Nope, you should first keep the chip and flash the Japhar image with SSL89J.

Then only after replace the chip by the Japhar Sim.

The point here is that the SSL89 is not accepting to flash the older SSL (that is only the SSL88). So once your original box has an SSL89, you must only flash an SSL89 or SSL89J (as well as image needs to contain it, or you flash the image and immediately after flash the SSL89J, then only reboot the box).

TS

That did not work . twice .
You get it boot up but than only black screen , it does not go all the way .
I think you have to get a image that works with the chip and has 89 .
You have to flash it with DreamUP_1_3_3_12 , flashing with browser does not work .
The boot 89 in an original image , wich you use with the brower does not flash the jahar image ok .
it does not flash the boot .
I think that only DreamUP_1_3_3_12 flashes the images right .
I did some 40 different flashes on 2 v2 boxes solderd the chip in and out 20 times or so .
This is all i come up with .
But have enough of it now , it works now with openatv , the motherboards do not survive more soldering ,
had to fix one bypass already .

Did you ever put a japhar sim in a V2 ?
I have some 15 Dreamboxes 800 ( friends , family , holiday homes, give them away )
and 4 Formuler F4 turbo (and some 15 tuners in the loft , am crazy ) so not all the way a beginner . And make mistakes .

My first V2 went well , these 2 should not be a problem .
See if can find another V2 , not easy , sellers don't even know they have a V2 , the remote is the indication .

Regards
Ad

Yes, replaced the chip in an original DM800HDseV2 by the Japhar, didn't needed the same MAC address... on DM7020HDv1 the MAC address on Japhar Sim must be same as on the original Sim/Chip.

Admin

The first V2 i did , did not need the same mac adress .
Just ordered a sim for V2 , all ok
Tryd the same sim for the new ones , no go .
You made me 2 new sims for the new boxes , no go .

It seems i lose the boot file , if possible , failed 2e , all the time .
Flashing ,secondstage-dm800sev2_SSL89J_v6.nfi is not possible

Only flashing opnatv with DreamUP_1_3_3_12 gets me a boot file back .
Flashing with JapharFlasher_1.1 does not work .
And browser does not work with , 2e failed .

Regards
Ad

Did you tried to flash the original image, then without rebooting, flash the SSL89J ? (Then only after insert the Japhar Sim).

On past tests, I seen that the DM800HDseV2 boxes weren't able to downgrade to the SSL88, perhaps then there is more, could fail to update to the SSL89 if it already has it in ?... seems the case with your description.

The DM800HDseV2 I have here, got the same as your first box, just needed any MAC and it worked converted to Japhar.

Admin

Hello .
Tried every thing , the first thing you do is to start over from the beginning . Bring it back in the original state as good as possible .
Put the chip back ,original software , en start over , about 4 times per box .
The first one i did a year ago had original software , i followed the tutorial , no problem , it had some memory issues , you see when flashing
but workes fine .
The other ones had newnigma2 on it .
These two v2 go to our appartments at Tenerife , so i don't see them much and they work .
They have the advantage i can flash them from the box , i can flash them without help , from home over the internet .
I stil think there is a problem with the boot flashing , at some point you only get , 2e failed , you never get
, no ca found , any more .

Regards

Ad

Hello
Found me another 800se V2 .
But it has memory problems , when flashing i see several .
I have 4 V2 boxes , 2 have memory problems . from 10 normal boxes i have ,only 1 had memory problems!
Does V2 have bad memory chips ??.
I am not gonna try to put the sim in it .
Results will not be predictable .
The other box with the bad memory has a working sim !
Looking for an other V2 , i have no rest before trying again .

Ad

Johnny could be able to replace the flash chip, of the v2 box.

On 1 Gb Flash boxes, there is and it's normal, a lot of flash bad sectors, in fact it is not a problem. Just do a Flash Clean / Scan, to be sure all is properly checked and real bad sectors marked.

TS