Extra Tuners, DVB-T and DVB-C, any ideas ?

Hello Johnny,

Do you have any ideas about this ? Hoffy has this issue with his 2 extra tuners (the Sat seems to be recognized ok).

Thank you !

TS

[4294699.026000] DVB: registering new adapter (BCM7400)
[4294699.359000] autodetecting NIMs...
[4294699.361000] ret: 2, feid: 00
[4294699.361000] Found: Slot C, ID: 00 (by CA)
[4294699.363000] ret: 2, feid: 00
[4294699.363000] Found: Slot D, ID: 00 (by CA)
[4294699.363000] Initializing adapter 0 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294699.364000] bcm4501: found 4501, revision 2(c0)
[4294699.364000] bcm4501: bcm_initAP
[4294699.372000] bcm4501: upload & start firmware
[4294700.852000] bcm4501: ap not running - start now
[4294700.863000] bcm4501: uCode 0x72
[4294700.864000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294700.865000] Initializing adapter 1 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294700.866000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294700.876000] Initializing adapter 2 (Philips TU1216-DVB-T)
[4294700.876000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.877000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.877000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.877000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.877000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.877000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.877000] WARNING: frontend did not attach.
[4294700.878000] Initializing adapter 3 (Philips TU1216-DVB-T)
[4294700.878000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.878000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.878000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.878000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.879000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.879000] tda10046: chip is not answering. Giving up.
[4294700.879000] WARNING: frontend did not attach.

Toysoft beat me to it.

I was just about to post that info myself.
I would really like to get this sorted out. I miss my Dreambox.
Let me know if I can provide any other info.

I have tried to stip all extras from the box (HDD, DVD-Rom, Fan) to reduce the load on the PSU. Have tried 1 tuner at a time in each slot. Always the same result.

Cheers.
Hoffy.

Hoffy,

Try Toysoft's image, SSL83F/SSL82F DE-OpenBlackHole 1.4 and let us know if you have your DVB-T tuners.

It could be a Driver related issue... but we want to find out too !

Admin

Got this on my DM8000HD with 2 extra Tuners, and my image DE-OpenBlackHole 1.4 for DM8000HD (SSL84J).

[4294702.820000] DVB: registering new adapter (BCM7400)
[4294702.924000] autodetecting NIMs...
[4294702.926000] ret: 2, feid: 00
[4294702.926000] Found: Slot C, ID: 00 (by CA)
[4294702.927000] ret: 2, feid: 01
[4294702.927000] Found: Slot D, ID: 01 (by CA)
[4294702.927000] Initializing adapter 0 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294702.929000] bcm4501: found 4501, revision 2(c0)
[4294702.929000] bcm_initAP
[4294702.936000] BCM4501: upload & start firmware
[4294704.291000] bcm4501: ap not running - start now
[4294704.302000] 4501 uCode 0x65
[4294704.306000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294704.307000] Initializing adapter 1 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294704.307000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294704.307000] Initializing adapter 2 (Philips TU1216-DVB-T)
[4294704.308000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (Philips TDA10046H DVB-T)...
[4294704.308000] Initializing adapter 3 (Philips CU1216Mk3-DVB-C)
[4294704.310000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (CU1216Mk3)...

and OpenPLi 4.0 Beta2, with the 2 extra tuners (T+C),

[4294731.811000] DVB: registering new adapter (BCM7400)
[4294796.088000] autodetecting NIMs...
[4294796.089000] ret: 2, feid: 00
[4294796.089000] Found: Slot C, ID: 00 (by CA)
[4294796.090000] ret: 2, feid: 01
[4294796.090000] Found: Slot D, ID: 01 (by CA)
[4294796.090000] Initializing adapter 0 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294796.091000] bcm4501: found 4501, revision 2(c0)
[4294796.091000] bcm4501: bcm_initAP
[4294796.095000] bcm4501: upload & start firmware
[4294797.510000] bcm4501: ap not running - start now
[4294797.521000] bcm4501: uCode 0x72
[4294797.521000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294797.522000] Initializing adapter 1 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294797.522000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294797.533000] Initializing adapter 2 (Philips TU1216-DVB-T)
[4294797.533000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (Philips TDA10046H DVB-T)...
[4294797.547000] Initializing adapter 3 (Philips CU1216Mk3-DVB-C)
[4294797.549000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (CU1216Mk3)...

TS

Yet another problem.

When I start the box to flash image via network, the front display shows as it should (e.g. ##STOP## is displayed and ip address shows) but I cannot access via my browser to flash the new image. I have a serial cable so will try TS's image that way.

Any clues as to what would cause this new issue?

Cheers.

This is probably a bad flashing, if you get this generally it's because the image is corrupted.

Try to flash the image with DreamUp or WebIf (Telnet) but with the Bad Sectory Recovery enabled.

If it's a backup you done yourself, then change Backup tool as it looks like creating corrupted images.

To Flash use Chrome or Explorer, not Firefox that is not compatible (most of the version). Be sure you press the Frontpanel UP Arrow to activate the upload/WebIf.

TS

You might be onto something there. I have been using Firefox to flash and it seemed to work correctly, but maybe corrupting some items.

Where can I find the appropriate file (dmesg in OpenPLi) in you DE-BH 1.4 image TS?
Can't seem to find the DVB-T entry details.

This one is for Johhny B.

I've been measuring voltages from the PSU whilst doing some of this.

With the PSU connected to the motherboard and all running, I measured all the voltages on the main connector. Pin 4 is reading 3.337V when running and connected to the motherboard. This is the 3.3V input required to switch Pin 3 to the 6V+ ? I should be getting 6V+ like this?

Is this correct or does it work differently when connected to the Motherboard?

Hoffy.

I found the log file (messages), in /var/log

TS

Pin 3 must normally have around the 6v, and it's used for the tuners.
If this collapse lower than 5v, the tuners will not work.
Why can it collapse?, this psu circuit has a overload protection, if it must deliver a higher consumption than normal it will collapse.

Reason can be, bad tuner, bad dc to dc chip, bad cap etc..
Other reason can be, psu issue, mostly cap problem.
In any case, it's hard to say what it can be without some good measurements.
However it's hard to say if it's really a hardware failure, but I had a case that the box failed on two extra tuners, but works fine with one.
The psu voltage were fine, but with another psu the problem solved.
Never found why.

Issue,
DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4
(Philips TU1216-DVB-T) tda10046: chip is not answering.

Versus TS,
(Philips TU1216-DVB-T) Philips TDA10046H DVB-T

Although both have the same chip set, yours could be different.
Maybe it has to do with,
TDA10046
TDA10046H

Maybe to see on the present parts on the top side.
I any case your tuners doesn't give a response to the request.
Which I think, but not sure, can happen if it are newer tuners. for, 800hd/800se

One more log from another DM8000HD box, with DE-OpenBlackHole 1.4 image.

[4294700.480000] Initializing adapter 0 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294700.482000] bcm4501: found 4501, revision 2(c0)
[4294700.482000] bcm_initAP
[4294700.490000] BCM4501: upload & start firmware
[4294701.837000] bcm4501: ap not running - start now
[4294701.848000] 4501 uCode 0x65
[4294701.852000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294701.853000] Initializing adapter 1 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294701.853000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294701.854000] Initializing adapter 2 (Philips TU1216-DVB-T)
[4294701.854000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend -2143940608 (Philips TDA10046H DVB-T)...
[4294701.854000] Initializing adapter 3 (Philips CU1216Mk3-DVB-C)
[4294701.856000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (CU1216Mk3)...

and another DM8000HD, also with DE-OpenBlackHole 1.4,

[4294702.817000] BCM4501: upload & start firmware
[4294704.173000] bcm4501: ap not running - start now
[4294704.184000] 4501 uCode 0x65
[4294704.189000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294704.189000] Initializing adapter 1 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294704.190000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294704.190000] Initializing adapter 2 (Philips TU1216-DVB-T)
[4294704.190000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend -2143940608 (Philips TDA10046H DVB-T)...
[4294704.190000] Initializing adapter 3 (Philips CU1216Mk3-DVB-C)
[4294704.192000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (CU1216Mk3)...

and a Third, DE-OpenBlackHole 1.4 always,

[4294698.625000] Initializing adapter 0 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294698.627000] bcm4501: found 4501, revision 2(c0)
[4294698.627000] bcm_initAP
[4294698.633000] BCM4501: upload & start firmware
[4294699.986000] bcm4501: ap not running - start now
[4294699.996000] 4501 uCode 0x65
[4294700.001000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294700.002000] Initializing adapter 1 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
[4294700.003000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
[4294700.003000] Initializing adapter 2 (Philips TU1216-DVB-T)
[4294700.003000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 5 (Philips TDA10046H DVB-T)...

TS

Finally found it. I checked bot the message files in /var/log the other day and there was no reference to DVB but I booted tonight and it was there. It would appear that the DVB-T tuners are not detected at all in DE-OpenBlackHole 1.4

Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.info kernel: [4294702.397000] DVB: registering new adapter (BCM7400)
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294702.501000] autodetecting NIMs...
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294702.502000] ret: -145, feid: 00
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294702.502000] ret: -145, feid: 00
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294702.502000] Initializing adapter 0 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.info kernel: [4294702.506000] bcm4501: found 4501, revision 2(c0)
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294702.506000] bcm_initAP
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294702.511000] BCM4501: upload & start firmware
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.debug kernel: [4294703.866000] bcm4501: ap not running - start now
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294703.877000] 4501 uCode 0x65
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294703.881000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294703.882000] Initializing adapter 1 (BCM4501 (internal)-DVB-S2)
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294703.882000] DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (bcm4501)...
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294703.883000] CI removed...
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294703.884000] CI removed...
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294703.885000] CI removed...
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294703.886000] CI removed...
Jan 1 01:00:53 dm8000 user.warn kernel: [4294703.890000] 9348 ms: 18

Don't know if this helps but I've attached an image of the tuner. I'm betting you need to see the inside.

I still don't think I'm getting the required voltage to the tuners. Is it possible that U1 is faulty, thus not providing the correct voltage?

Photos of my 2 tuners (Terrestrial on top, and bottom is Cable),

TS

Is you Terrestrial genuine Philips? It seems to have extra components on the exposed part of the PCB. Up the top in that picture.

Don't know if it makes any difference. Mine worked fine for years.

Hoffy.

Yeah well, maybe it's nothing but I had the impression that the one with fuse working fine for the 800hd/8000hd

The one without works with the 800se.
At least, that's my findings with the two.

But if it has worked before, both.. than it it seems to me a driver issue.

Or else, when they work, measure the Pin 3.
Also when they failed.
Maybe it has to do with it.